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Enduring the Night,
Encountering Hope.

Join Andrew Nemr and Mike Freeman as they explore Dark Night of the Soul, the seminal work by St. John of the Cross

To spiritually prepare for his 12-hour performance piece Dark Night Live, tap dancer Andrew Nemr invited pastor Mike Freeman for a journey. Together they would read St. John of the Cross’s Dark Night of the Soul and discuss. Over the course of 12 sessions Andrew and Mike enter into conversation with each other and with the text. Together they share personal experiences and insights, inspire one another, and hold space for the journey through the Dark Night.

Meet the Hosts

Andrew Nemr

Andrew Nemr is an international artist, teacher, and speaker. His work has crossed the music, dance, theatre, and visual arts worlds, exploring art as a vehicle for storytelling and individual and communal formation. Described as “A masterly tapper” by the New York Times, Andrew has been recognized with numerous awards, grants, and commissions, is the topic of the award-winning documentary short film Identity: The Andrew Nemr Story, and is the founder of the Nemr Institute.

Mike Freeman

Mike Freeman has been engaged in pastoral ministry and counseling for going on five decades and is currently a staff pastor at the Vineyard in Boise where he writes and narrates the daily devotional podcast Green Pastures. Mike is a total Bible and book nerd, movie and Civil War buff, reads and teaches biblical languages, is a cancer survivor since 2012, and is an avid dancer (couples, line and pattern dancing to country or just about anything) with his lifelong wife and partner, LaWayne, with whom he shares five children and seven grandchildren who are the joy of their life.

Episodes

EP. 1  |  When the Darkness Comes, What Do You Do?

Andrew and Mike discuss the spiritual disorientation of losing the sources of comfort ad direction we've grown used to, and how this experience can be a profound part of spiritual growth...
1 hr, 12 min 
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EP. 2  |  Exploring the Dark Night: What is it?

In this second episode, Andrew and Mike explore the hidden spiritual obstacles that are effectively stripped away in the ight – like spiritual pride and gluttony...
57 min 
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EP. 3  |  Through the Gloom: How Do We Find Light?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike share personal reflections on sense deprivation, spiritual emptiness, and the importance of falling into aridity as it relates to the dark night of the soul...
1 hr, 14 min 
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EP. 4  |  The Path of Love and Endurance: What's the Experience?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike dive into the Conclusion of St. John's seminal work discussing the transformative process of enduring spiritual darkenss and emptiness as a pathway to deepening love ad union with God.
1 hr, 6 min 
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EP. 5  |  The Threshold of the Spirit: How Do We Step Across?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike explore Jonah’s descent as a living metaphor for the Dark Night of the Soul. Drawing from scripture, Hebrew insights, and personal stories, they unpack themes of purgation, endurance, stripping away, and the tension between punishment and transformation...
1 hr, 2 min
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EP. 6  |  The Path of Love and Endurance: What's the Experience?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike dive into St. John of the Cross’s teaching on the “dark night”— how dryness and emptiness can be the way of deepening love and union with the divine.
1 hr, 6 min
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EP. 7  |  The Path of Love and Endurance: What's the Experience?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike dive into Book Two, Chapters 4–7 of The Dark Night of the Soul by St. John of the Cross. They explore themes of purgation, detachment, and the “poverty of spirit” that marks the threshold of transformation.
1 hr, 14 min 
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EP. 8  |  Between Sense and Spirit: How Do We Cross Without Clinging?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike press deeper into the dark night. Their conversation wrestles with surrender, endurance, and the paradox of active passivity: being carried more than striving, walking without sight, and trusting that in the process God is at work.
1 hr, 14 min 
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EP. 9  |  The Pace of Love: How Do We Learn to Move Slowly Again?

In this episode, Andrew and Mike continue their journey through The Dark Night of the Soul, exploring Book Two, Chapters 12-15. Drawing from scripture, lived experience, and the rhythm of everyday life, they unpack the difference between spiritual striving and divine timing.
1 hr, 14 min 
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